tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8572501698854836939.post7529341656251959312..comments2024-03-26T06:07:35.453+01:00Comments on Kalinago English: Dogme Blog Challenge #1 Co-constructionKALINAGO ENGLISHhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15202016406865561740noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8572501698854836939.post-17115906234176806132010-10-19T20:12:28.400+02:002010-10-19T20:12:28.400+02:00Thanks David!
And you're right, I have to get...Thanks David!<br /><br />And you're right, I have to get around to processing those videos and uploading them into youtube - good kick up my butt... have changed computers and will have to find them but soon!<br /><br />KKALINAGO ENGLISHhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15202016406865561740noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8572501698854836939.post-44504488057453165792010-10-19T19:23:40.535+02:002010-10-19T19:23:40.535+02:00Hi Karenne
To me, Dogme is most definitely the sce...Hi Karenne<br />To me, Dogme is most definitely the scenic route! Isn't the point of Dogme that you are allowed to, indeed should dwell on a word or phrase, the equivalent of taking a turn up a winding lane to see what's there, without a care in the world, knowing that you can return to the main road at any time? Tearing down the motorway towards Junction/Unit 5 by Christmas is no way to teach. On another (Dogme-related) issue, I read in one of your posts that you have videos of yourself teaching, but haven't got round to airing them. There do seem to be comments from teachers that they don't really understand how Dogme differs from a run-of-the-mill discussion that naturally develops in class (and I include myself in this too), an "is-it, isn't it?" debate running through this discourse. Seeing Dogme-style lessons could shed light on this. I was always fascinated by Suggestopedia, and went to one of Dr Lozanov's talks once, only to learn very little. High on claims, low on facts, I regret to say is how I came away from the gathering.<br />DavidDavid Warrhttp://languagegarden.wordpress.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8572501698854836939.post-75279310295243317282010-10-14T23:18:42.608+02:002010-10-14T23:18:42.608+02:00Hey Peter,
Thank you back. I think that's rea...Hey Peter,<br />Thank you back. I think that's really interesting that you thought they should be the other way around -I had the same thought too when deciding which of my highlighted sentences in the book should be challenge 1 (yes, Luke, had to start tough!) and I would have thought that it be the scenic route as dogme - looking around and enjoying the ride and LOL - the motorway with processed food on the direct route. <br /><br /><a href="http://idleeflthoughts.wordpress.com/2010/10/12/karenne-sylvesters-challenge-a-response/" rel="nofollow"> Andrew's post,helped me understand what Luke and Scott may have intended to say </a> <i>the subtext perhaps is that it is pretty but not the point of the journey.</i> as lots of books are real pretty but short on content, aren't they!<br /><br />Still I do think you made a strong point - thank so much for answering a question, I really appreciated thinking about your thoughts and glad you shared them with me/the dogme group.<br /><br />KarenneKALINAGO ENGLISHhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15202016406865561740noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8572501698854836939.post-46513927013529343732010-10-14T23:11:47.048+02:002010-10-14T23:11:47.048+02:00Loved your post! Andrew, thanks so much for sharin...Loved your post! Andrew, thanks so much for sharing it.<br /><br />KarenneKALINAGO ENGLISHhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15202016406865561740noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8572501698854836939.post-13098806142016997452010-10-14T23:11:03.997+02:002010-10-14T23:11:03.997+02:00It has, hasn't it! I've read most of the ...It has, hasn't it! I've read most of the posts twice and even three things while thinking through my responses - and that while the big convo' happening on JH, 8hrs a day teaching, blogging for my students... personal life & friendships stuff - it's like a gigantic mixing bowl 'round here, I tell and I have learned SO MUCH this week!<br /><br />There's one I still have to get back to - it's terrifying in its intelligence:<br /><br /><a href="http://authenticteaching.wordpress.com/2010/10/08/dogme-challenge-1-interactivity-and-co-construction/" rel="nofollow">Interactivity and Co-construction</a> by Willy CardosaKALINAGO ENGLISHhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15202016406865561740noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8572501698854836939.post-13746521676376610372010-10-14T16:44:17.749+02:002010-10-14T16:44:17.749+02:00Hi Karenne
Well of course I've been following...Hi Karenne<br /><br />Well of course I've been following this challenge with great interest, and I must admit that when I saw the first quote you'd chosen, I thought - whooh, tough choice!<br /><br />It's been good to see different interpretations, and it actually took me a few days to think of something useful to say. And then Diarmiud did it for me! http://taoteaching.wordpress.com/2010/10/08/311/#comment-206<br /><br />Because I think it's all about the nature of the learning (and teaching) experience. Is it hands-on, are you involved, can you influence where things go next? Are you 'doing' language (or a country), or truly exploring it?<br /><br />It's been a very exciting week with your challenge, the responses and the ahem lively exchange on Jeremy's site, so I'm really looking forward to the next one.Luke Meddingsnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8572501698854836939.post-67788587033273089292010-10-12T10:24:52.891+02:002010-10-12T10:24:52.891+02:00Thanks for the challenge Karenne and I've post...Thanks for the challenge Karenne and I've posted my response on my blog. This is a good idea and hopefully will help us to articulate exactly what we mean by Dogme and Unplugged! <br /><br />All the best <br /><br />Andrew <br /><br />http://idleeflthoughts.wordpress.com/2010/10/12/karenne-sylvesters-challenge-a-response/Andrew Pickleshttps://twitter.com/efl101noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8572501698854836939.post-85335505187726596222010-10-08T19:31:28.223+02:002010-10-08T19:31:28.223+02:00First of all, thanks for starting this discussion ...First of all, thanks for starting this discussion – it’s a really good opportunity to see where Dogme ELT is at and how it has evolved since the movement (if I can call it that) began.<br /><br />I have to say, that although there are loads of great quotes in Teaching Unplugged, this one isn’t really my favourite. Maybe I’m missing the point but I’m not sure that 'scenic route' and 'direct route' are a good choice of metaphors in this example. In fact, I would even argue that they should be the other way round.<br /><br />When I use a Dogme approach in my lessons; topics, conversations and discussions often go off at a tangent (a bit like a road diversion I would suggest) which doesn’t really square with Dogme being the ‘direct route’. Sometimes we explore places that we could never have predicted nor ever expected, but the journey is an interesting one nonetheless and all the better (and more scenic) for it.<br /><br />On the other hand, in many ways a coursebook is a lot like a motorway. Most of them look the same and the food (topics?) at the corporatised service stations is generally rather bland and tasteless, not to mention overpriced. What is more, the route is predetermined (a bit like the syllabus) with little room for diversions. Moreover, with a Dogme approach, my learners and I are often not even sure where the destination is, we just know that we’re going somewhere.<br /> <br />Is one way quicker than the other? Well, I suppose it all depends on where you’re going. I would suggest that with the materials-mediated route, you get somewhere quicker (and hence a greater illusion of learning) but when you get there, you may find that you took a wrong turn at some point and have to turn back to find the best route to the ultimate destination.<br /><br />I’m not sure that I have time to answer all of your questions as I’d like to but I would like to say that although interactivity and social dialogue is most certainly a useful way to learn for many people, it is not the only way. Personally, I also like to learn through self-reflection and at times, I also like someone to lead me along the right path, or at least prod me in the right direction. So if there is to be a dialogic process, I prefer it to be with someone who is a bit better/has more knowledge than me and I think that many learners feel the same way. The trouble with this, is that depending on the size of the group, there may be little opportunity for learners to interact conversationally with their teacher in the same way, so where does that leave us? They must learn by other means too, surely?Peter Fentonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8572501698854836939.post-86996497454720434642010-10-07T17:03:18.249+02:002010-10-07T17:03:18.249+02:00it's all in the interactivity....it's all in the interactivity....KALINAGO ENGLISHhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15202016406865561740noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8572501698854836939.post-59046982591979615232010-10-07T09:29:51.047+02:002010-10-07T09:29:51.047+02:00Love the post, but I'm worried about that phot...Love the post, but I'm worried about that photo.<br /><br />I think you need an electrician.Glenniehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16070944802376336205noreply@blogger.com